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What can vocal and instrumental music education learn from each other? At what point does specialization become uneccessary siloing of what should be a “music ‘education” profession?

Matthew Arau is the guest. Yes… ANOTHER band teacher…

Back in January, I accidentally attended Matthew’s session at the recent Missouri Music Educator conference. You read that right. I went into a room where choir things normally happen. But when I heard Matthew teaching people about the importance of audiation, vocalization and all of the internalized music comprehension concepts in a band class, I stayed glued to my seat. After the session, I introduced myself, and now we are here.

In this episode, Matthew Arau, an instrumental educator and leadership author, shares innovative strategies for integrating vocalization into instrumental and band education. He is also a passionate advocate for Mindfulness, and the “inner work” of the conductor/teacher as a leader in their environments. We discuss how to achieve a kind of teacher peace and how this can improve our attitude about work, but also can influence classroom management and culture. Music educators of all stripes won’t want to miss this episode.

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Internationally renowned speaker, author, and conductor, Dr. Matthew Arau empowers people to their shatter limiting beliefs, unlock their full potential, and orchestrate their lives in alignment with their values and vision. As the founder and CEO of Upbeat Global and author of the bestselling book, Upbeat! Mindset, Mindfulness, and Leadership in Music Education and Beyond, Dr. Arau believes in the power of gratitude and joy to make meaningful, transformative change from within. Drawing on his 29 years as a conductor, music educator, leadership expert, and professor, Matthew empowers educators, entrepreneurs, and executives to create inner harmony and rekindle their inner spark through focusing on well-being, purpose, and mindset.

Additionally, Dr. Arau is an Associate Professor of Music and the Chair of the Music Education Department and Symphonic Band Conductor at Lawrence University in Appleton, Wisconsin, a Conn-Selmer Education Clinician, and the Leadership Editor for GIA Publications. Dr. Arau has guest conducted, led professional development, and presented clinics on leadership, mindfulness, overcoming burnout, growth mindset, rehearsal techniques, and creating positive cultures in 40 states and 4 continents in person. Thousands of high school students and educators have attended his Upbeat! Leadership Workshops across the United States to develop their leadership skills and reach for their fullest potential. In addition to being in demand as a keynote speaker, presenter, and professional development facilitator, Dr. Arau has conducted honor bands in Australia, Thailand, Greece, Cyprus, and Malaysia, and All-State honor bands across the United States.

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Dr. Arau draws on a deep reservoir of fifteen years of experience as a successful middle school and high school band director in Loveland, Colorado, where he led his bands at Walt Clark Middle School and Loveland High School to numerous honor performances and championships and pioneered the Leadership Symposium. He lives with his wife Merilee in Neenah, Wisconsin accompanied by their sugar glider, Flash, and two Dachshunds, Savannah and Eli.

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I’ve said for a long time that music education is at a crossroads—but depending on who you ask, we’re either evolving… or we’re missing the point entirely. Are traditional school music programs—band, choir, orchestra—reaching enough students? And if not, why?

There’s a growing narrative in music education right now that what we’ve been doing for decades just isn’t working anymore. My guest today, Kevin Droe, makes that case in a recent TED Talk—arguing that if we don’t rethink school music programs, we risk losing students altogether.

Now, I want to say this up front: Kevin’s not coming at this from the outside. He’s a music educator, a band director, someone who clearly believes in what we do. And I think that matters.

But I also think some of the assumptions behind this argument need to be examined a little more carefully.

• Is 20% participation really a crisis—or actually pretty strong for an elective?
• Are we excluding students—or just not offering every possible pathway?
• And what does meaningful expansion actually look like in a real school setting?

This conversation is honest, respectful, and at times… a little challenging. Which probably means it’s one worth having…

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Kevin Droe, Ph.D., is an Associate Professor of Music Education at the University of Northern Iowa. He specializes in teaching undergraduate and graduate music education. Alongside his teaching and research responsibilities, Kevin Droe is the founder of the UNI Spectrum Project. This initiative offers children with differing abilities a weekend of music, movement, drama, and art activities. His research focuses on special populations, innovative music education, and popular music.

In 2018, Kevin established AmpCamp, an annual summer popular music youth camp. In 2022, he launched Spectrum JamFest, an annual youth music festival. Kevin Droe teaches workshops in audio, modern band and popular music education throughout Iowa. When not teaching and researching, Kevin is the drummer for Corn Riot, a punk metal band made up of faculty and staff of the UNI School of Music. He holds degrees from the University of Northern Colorado and a Ph.D. in music education from The Florida State University.

UNI Modern Band YouTube – https://www.youtube.com/@unimodernband3038/featured

UNI Spectrum Project – https://www.spectrumproject.org/

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A one of a kind event happened at this year’s convention of the Southwest Region of American Choral Directors. We gathered a panel of thoughtful professionals and an inquisitive crowd of colleagues and had an “unsafe” conversation in public. And what do you know? No one threw tomatoes!

Are we speaking a language our communities actually understand?

In this special live episode recorded at the Southwest ACDA conference, we move past the performative “curated consensus” of the professional bubble. For seven years, Choralosophy has been a space for the conversations we’re often disincentivized from having—and this panel is no exception. I was joined in Albuquerque by Odell Zeigler, Clelyn Chapin, Heather Orr and Reginal Wright for a lively and informative discussion you won’t want to miss.

We dive deep into the terminology that defines our field: Excellence. Rigor. Access. Equity. These words matter, but through overuse, they risk becoming social signals rather than clear objectives. If we can’t define what we mean to the “normal” people—the parents, administrators, and taxpayers who sustain our programs—we risk losing them entirely.

In this episode, we tackle:

• The “existential” threat of insular language.
• Whether Excellence and Access always align, or if we’re ignoring the trade-offs.
• Navigating the tensions of gender balance and repertoire origins with nuance instead of reaction.
• What is equity?

It’s time to be precise, be brave, and look beyond the buzzwords to the future of the choral profession.

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Reginal Wright is a renowned composer, conductor, and educator whose compositions blend melody, rhythm, and text into powerful musical narratives that engage both performers and listeners. An accomplished composer, his works are performed widely and cater to choirs of all levels from beginning ensembles to advanced collegiate and professional groups. With over 25 years of experience, he has received numerous awards for his work in middle and high school education. As a conductor, he fosters collaboration and artistry in choirs of all levels, helping them reach their full potential. 

Dr. Clelyn Chapin serves as the Associate Director of Choirs at University of Northern Colorado where she leads choral ensembles and teaches courses in choral music education. As a frequent presenter and clinician, Clelyn focuses on non-hierarchical rehearsal practices and making individual vocal technique accessible and efficient in the choral rehearsal. Her scholarly work centers on creating collaborative rehearsal spaces and amplifying the work of women composers. Before joining the faculty at UNC, Clelyn spent 14 years teaching and conducting secondary, collegiate, and community ensembles in Texas, Colorado, and Michigan. She completed her Doctor of Musical Arts in Choral Conducting at Michigan State University, studying under Dr. David Rayl and Dr. Sandra Snow, and holds a Master of Music Education from the University of Northern Colorado. 

Heather Orr serves as Assistant Director of Choral Activities at Texas A&M University, where she conducts the freshman ensembles Bella Voce and Legacy Voices. She previously spent 30 years in public school music education as Head Choir Director at Montgomery High School in Texas. Orr is a frequent clinician, adjudicator, and presenter, with expertise in treble choir tone development and effective rehearsal strategies. Her ensembles have presented nine invited convention performances at the TMEA, SWACDA, and ACDA. Orr holds a Master of Arts in Vocal Pedagogy from The Ohio State University and a Bachelor of Music in Voice Performance from Heidelberg College, and is currently pursuing a Doctorate in Music Education. She is the mother of four grown children, grandmother to three grandsons, has been married for 32 years, and they are  now navigating life as empty-nesters with their dog, Nugget.

Odell Zeigler, IV, is the Director of Choirs at the Visual & Performing Arts Academy at Booker T. Washington High School in Norfolk. He leads Concert Choir, Women’s Chorale, Men’s Chorus, and Mixed Chorus, and teaches Music Appreciation and AP Music Theory. Odell is an active clinician, adjudicator, and speaker who presents regularly at All-State and All-Region conferences across the country. He deeply values time with his family, taking great joy in watching his children grow in their academic pursuits and sports, and in sharing family vacations together each year. 

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Among the more misunderstood, mischaracterized, and confusing topics discussed on this show is Literacy. What is it? What is it not? It’s time to include a wider lens here beyond vocal and elementary general classrooms. Instrumental music has its own pitfalls. Let’s compare notes.

Rethinking Music Literacy: Beyond Button Pushing. Finally! Another “music is a language nerd.” Any others out there? We must unite.

In this episode, we explore the core difference between technical skills and true musical literacy, emphasizing how a holistic approach can transform music education. David Davis, an instrumental and elementary music educator who is trying to pivot from traditional practices, shares insightful ideas on how to cultivate musicianship rooted in understanding, improvisation, and language.

• The critical distinction between technical proficiency and literacy in music
• Why teaching music as a language fosters improvisation and comprehension
• The analogy of typewriters and language immersion to explain musical skills
• How current pedagogies often emphasize button pushing over real understanding
• The role of notation systems in culturally diverse music learning
• Practical strategies for early aural foundation building
• How a shift in pedagogy can lead to more expressive, fluent musicians

This episode invites educators to critically examine how we teach and interpret music literacy. Moving beyond mere button pushing to cultivating language fluency in music equips students for improvisation, creativity, and lifelong musicianship. The conversation underscores that pedagogy—how we teach—is the most significant factor shaping future musicians’ ability to truly understand and express music across genres and cultures.

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David Davis is a band, orchestra, and general music educator in Minnesota committed to systemic change in music education. A GRAMMY semifinalist and Yamaha “40 Under 40” educator, he designs curricula that prioritize cultural responsiveness, inclusivity, student voice, and research-based pedagogy. He also serves on NAfME’s Council of Innovations, on Minnesota’s Music Educator Association’s board, and is an Education Minnesota Racial Equity Advocate.

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Is a podcast “real PD?” Is it a trustworthy source of information? What are the best ways to use one? What are the worst? Why do music educators listen?

In this conversation, Theresa Hoover, a music educator and researcher who advocates for “passing the baton” to students through a book and podcast by the same name, discusses her findings on how music educators utilize podcasts for professional development, community, gathering information, teaching ideas and EVEN emotional support. She shares insights from her survey of music teachers for her PhD research, revealing their motivations for listening to podcasts, the connections they form, and the importance of authenticity in podcasting.

Theresa and I also touch on the evolving landscape of music education podcasts, the challenges of commercialization, and the role of student ownership in music education. Theresa emphasizes the need for music educators to critically engage with podcast content and the potential for podcasts to serve as valuable professional development tools, but also raises the questions of legitimacy of podcasts to be a reliable source of information and what happens to the trustworthiness of monetized podcasts. (Like this one!(

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Theresa Hoover is a music educator, speaker, and writer who advocates for student voice in the music room. Her work centers on helping teachers empower students throughout their musical experiences by transforming classrooms into student-centered learning environments.

Currently, Theresa serves as a Teaching Instructor of Music Education at East Carolina University and is a PhD candidate in Music Learning and Teaching at Arizona State University. Her teaching experience spans instrumental, general, and vocal music across a variety of settings, most recently as a middle school band director in Northern Virginia. Prior to that role, she taught for fourteen years in Pennsylvania. Theresa holds a bachelor’s degree in music education from Penn State University and a master’s degree in wind conducting from West Chester University.

A recognized presenter and clinician, Theresa has presented at local, regional, and national conferences, including the Midwest Clinic, the NAfME Biennial Research and Teacher Education Conference, and numerous state music education conferences. She also serves as an adjunct professor at VanderCook College of Music, where she teaches graduate courses for music educators focused on technology integration and student ownership.

Theresa is the author of Empowering Ensembles With Technology, the co-author of Pass the Baton: Empowering All Music Students, and the co-host of the podcast Pass the Baton: Empowering Students in Music Education. Her writing has been featured in several online publications, as well as on her blog, Off the Beaten Path: A Music Teacher’s Journey.

When not teaching, Theresa enjoys reading, running, traveling to visit family and friends, and spending time with her dog, Dizzy.

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An important distinction for young teachers: we want our students to view our class as safe, free and open. But, in order to do this, there must be an “operating system” running in the background. A clearly defined structure, procedures, and yes, rules. (Clutches pearls.)

In this conversation, Kevin Lackie joins me to discuss the importance of classroom management and structure in choral education. This also the topic of a recent Choral Journal (ACDA) article that Kevin wrote. Be sure to check that out! He emphasizes the need for teachers to create an inclusive environment where students feel expected and engaged.

Many useful portions of this episode center around the ways that one unified educational philosophy can be adapted to a variety of teaching realities. Chances are, our tactics could be different but the philosophy is the same! Kevin shares his journey in music education, highlighting the significance of warm-ups and the role of philosophy in teaching. The discussion also covers strategies for redirecting student behavior and building buy-in among students, ultimately aiming to foster a cohesive and productive learning atmosphere.

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Kevin Lackie, conductor, educator and baritone, brings extensive skills in choral-vocal technique and community development. With a background of building and repairing choral programs across the east coast, his ensembles regularly receive praise for artistry, programming, and connection with their community. Most notably, Kevin Lackie made his Boston Symphony Hall conducting debut for the Boston Symphony Orchestra’s Opening Week 2025 program “Music’s Next Generation.”

A passionate educator, Mr. Lackie was the longest-standing member of the Fairfax County Public School curriculum writing team that wrote a grade 5-12 choral curriculum that is used in 196 schools in Northern Virginia. Kevin regularly presents at conferences and universities and is published in the ACDA Choral Journal with a ChorTeach article on classroom management. Additionally, he has been a proud Mentor Teacher supporting new teachers in their programs.

Mr. Lackie is also an advocate for socioeconomic equity in the choral world. Kevin founded the New Hampshire-based “Scores Project,” which raises funds to donate to local public music programs in need of financial support. Dedicated to the belief that no child should be denied access to music due to a lack of finances, this project has continued for almost a decade, uninterrupted by the pandemic, and has contributed to choral programs around the state.

Prior to moving to Boston, Kevin Lackie was the Founder and Artistic Director of the Mount Vernon Chamber Singers in Alexandra, VA. He has served as Music Director and Director of Traditional Worship in numerous church denominations and taught middle and high school choral programs. Additionally, he serves as Tenor-Bass Repertoire & Resource Chair with the Virginia Chapter of the American Choral Director’s Association. Currently, he is on the teaching staff at Harvard University assisting the Harvard Glee Club and is a graduate conductor with Boston University’s 150-voice Symphonic Chorus. Kevin earned degrees from Keene State College, East Carolina University, and is pursuing his Doctorate in Conducting at Boston University.

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It can be so tempting for ensemble music directors to fall into a kind of tunnel vision where all roads lead to the “top group” or most advanced ensemble. After all, they are often the ones able to showcase the “culmination” of what our program can do. But this must not be done at the expense of the beginner experience.

In this episode, Bruce Rockwell returns to discuss the challenges and strategies of teaching beginning level choirs. Be sure to check out Episode 195 where we discuss the critical importance of Elementary school choirs. Here, Bruce shares his insights on the importance of creating a positive choral culture and the need for differentiation in instruction to accommodate diverse student backgrounds.

He emphasizes the value of concurrent enrollment, where advanced students can “bring a friend” and mentor beginners, fostering a supportive learning environment. The conversation also touches on the unique challenges of teaching boys in choir, particularly those with pitch matching difficulties, and the strategies Bruce employs to address these issues. Additionally, we discuss effective repertoire selection and the importance of viewing the training choir as a vital part of the choral program, rather than just a stepping stone to advanced groups. Join us as Bruce shares his wealth of experience and practical advice for choral educators.

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Bruce Rockwell received his BA in Music from the University of California at Santa Cruz, and his MM in Composition from the San Francisco Conservatory of Music, where he studied with Conrad Susa and David Conte. He taught and directed music ensembles for the San Francisco Waldorf schools and the Town School for Boys. Since 2010 Bruce has been the choir director at College Park High School in Pleasant Hill, CA, where he also teaches piano and guitar. Bruce is a frequent guest for music education podcasts, and continues to write and present journal articles and conference sessions on various topics of interest to music educators.

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As much as we would love it to not be the case, Americans still see Black Musicians and make certain assumptions. Black Choir? It must be gospel? Black Band? It must be high steppers and baton twirlers. The issue is not these proud musical traditions. The issue is the box that stereotypes put people in.

Hear to discuss the issue and its nuances is Dr. Craig L. Robertson, a choir director at HBCU, Virginia State University. He reflects on his upbringing in a military family, which exposed him to diverse cultures and experiences, shaping his perspective on music and education. The discussion then delves into the misconceptions surrounding HBCU choirs, particularly the assumption that they are primarily gospel choirs. Dr. Robertson emphasizes the importance of recognizing the diversity and skill within these ensembles, advocating for a broader appreciation of their repertoire.

We also touch on the significance of music literacy and the role of educators in expanding students’ musical horizons. Dr. Robertson shares personal anecdotes about his passion for teaching and the joy he finds in watching students break cultural stereotypes through music. The episode concludes with reflections on the impact of diverse experiences on personal growth and the importance of embracing all aspects of one’s cultural heritage.

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Dr. Craig L. Robertson is Director of Choral Activities and Assistant Professor of Music at Virginia State University, where he conducts the Concert Choir and Chamber Singers and teaches applied voice, conducting, and choral music education. Under his leadership, the VSU choral program has grown from 15 to more than 60 singers and has earned national visibility through performances at major conferences, festivals, and special events. In 2026, Dr. Robertson and the VSU Concert Choir were invited to perform during the inauguration ceremonies of Governor‑elect Abigail Spanberger, the first female governor of the Commonwealth of Virginia.

His work also includes a collaborative research initiative with UCLA exploring the choral music of Dr. Undine Smith Moore through archival study, oral histories, and performance. A sought‑after guest conductor and clinician, Dr. Robertson regularly works with honor choirs and presents at music education conferences. He holds degrees from Virginia State University, Georgia State University, and the University of Colorado Boulder.

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Sometimes as performing artists, we are hyper focused on “the polished finished product.” Tori Longdon creates stunning finished products, but along the way, she is letting people in to see how the sausage is made in warm ups. And people LOVE it.

Maybe there is something important there. An insight brought about by the social media algorithms.

In this conversation, Tori Longdon shares her journey in choral music, discussing her roles as a conductor and educator. She explores the cultural differences in choir experiences between the UK and the US, the importance of music education, and the challenges faced in engaging students. Tori emphasizes the significance of creating safe spaces for singers, overcoming negative experiences, and the need for effective warm-up techniques. She also highlights her online presence going WILD on Instagram, and upcoming projects aimed at widening access to choral music education.

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Tori Longdon is the Associate Chorus Director of the London Philharmonic Choir, and Principal Conductor of the Covent Garden Chorus. She is in demand internationally following her work on the King’s Coronation Concert in May 2023 when she coached eighteen choirs from around the United Kingdom to perform for the king.

Tori recently chorus-mastered her first Prom concert at the Royal Albert Hall in London, and travels the world leading masterclasses and adjudicating competitions, most recently in Germany (July ’24) Australia (May ’24) and Finland (September ’23) and Austria (November ’23). She has lectured for the Artist Development postgraduate course at the Royal Academy of Music, and for the musicianship course at the Junior Guildhall Conservatoire.

Tori is currently a conductor for Songs Of Praise on BBC1, as well as an adjudicator for ‘Young Choir Of The Year’ and ‘Young Chorister Of The Year’. She appeared on BBC2 as a judge on two series’ of the ‘The Choir’. As a broadcaster, she has interviewed some of classical music’s most famous names, including Marin Alsop, John Rutter, Sir Karl Jenkins, Sofi Jeannin and Christopher Tin. 

She is the co-founder of the Stay At Home Choir, an international community of more than 29,000 choral singers which she leads together with Swingles baritone Jamie Wright.

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